Going Back Home
Thursday, March 27, 2008 — John SavageI hope I’m not making this blog too personal, but if I must, so be it.
It seems like a pretty high proportion of my readers are Southerners, and I’ve made it clear that while I’ve spent a good share of my life in the South, I suppose I set the bar rather high for what makes a person Southern. My whole family having originated in the Northeast, I consider myself a Yankee Puritan in exile, so to say. I suppose that’s partly because most of my family has never identified as Southern, although I’ve never had a conversation about it with any of my cousins who were born in the South. Since for the most part they live in suburbs with mainly other Northern transplants, I doubt they even feel Southern. To be Southern and have the rest of my blood relatives remain Northern would be highly uncomfortable.
All this means I feel a bit unnerved when people who are unquestionably Southern tell me that I could become a Southerner in good standing as long as I identify with the South’s history and values. Quite the contrary, most Southerners who have actually met me know that I am not of the region, possibly just from hearing my accent. Even since I have become more conservative and thus more fond of the South’s traditions, I know I’m not a native. I know where home is, and it’s defined by where my family has a history. Southern people are born, not made. People may find it ironic, but the more respect I have for what the South is, the more I feel like an intruder. If Americans, North and South, had been true to our traditions, I think, my parents would not have come to the South in the first place. I felt good when Terry Morris told the non-native Oklahomans to go back where they came from — even though the same attitude, if present throughout the South, would have meant Southerners telling my parents not to come.
Beyond that, I think I ought to honor the part of my family that stuck with their home territory through thick and thin. We have suffered greatly, I’m convinced, from being a geographically dispersed family, unlike most Southern families. As I said both here and at Vanishing American, I think every family should gather on its home turf, as much as possible, and make the idea of a kinship-based community seem as real as it can. There are a few areas where whites have already lost even the possibility of control of their local governments. But there are still areas from coast to coast that whites ought not concede. Vermont is one of the most liberal states in the nation, yet it has its own secessionist movement — even some white nationalists! – and some strong traditions of localism. Socialism is relatively popular there only because of the high degree of social and ethnic homogeneity.
Conversely, the South considers itself very traditionalist, but often shares a neoconservative, “New South” concept of what is traditional. Traditions of racial inequality and parochialism are not only rejected, but practically forgotten by many. There are plenty of Southerners more concerned with aping the North socially and economically than carrying on any Southern traditions. Many Southern schoolchildren probably could not name any reason to be proud of the South.
It seems that a considerable number of Southerners have relatives who are personally involved in the business of increasing immigration, too. For more traditionalist Southerners, having such relatives may lead to loss of confidence in the idea of loyalty to one’s kin. They begin to think they’d as soon have Yankee neighbors who share their goals, as born Southerners who don’t.
It may sound quixotic, but I don’t think we should willingly surrender any of the areas where whites are still the majority. The Mexican border states and Florida are probably Hispanic permanently, and I would agree that whites younger than retirement age in those states ought to move somewhere else. I would draw the line there, however. If I have my way, we will not try to be the cultural and demographic majority only in the South, or the Northwest, or any other limited region. There are traditional Americans in all regions, and traditional ideas tend to prevail in the rural regions of almost every state.
The reasons to go back to my traditional homeland are many. I feel like if I am to pattern myself after my late grandfather, the last direct ancestor to have been a farmer, I ought to live in the same area. (Although perhaps he had less attachment to the land than I imagine, since he did retire to Florida.) The status-seeking liberals lampooned on Stuff White People Like are likely to stay away on account of the isolation and cold weather, if for no other reason. The area is very far from Mexico and the preferred West-Coast destinations for Asian immigrants. One thing I do wish I understood was whether there is any discernible legacy of Puritanism — other than in its mutant form of anti-white leftism — in the area. Back when my parents were growing up there, my mother’s family honored the Sabbath very devoutly, and they weren’t alone in doing so. But sometimes it seems like the only churches left there now are liberal Protestant or very lax Catholic.
I appreciate the hospitality of those Southerners who would like me to stay, but if you really mean it, know that you are trying to talk me into a decision that doesn’t feel natural. Staying in the South presently strikes me as at worst treason to my ancestors, and at best a pragmatic calculation that I have little choice but to turn my back on my homeland forever. Meanwhile, I would like to hear some encouraging words from Northeastern readers who think the Northeast is worth saving.
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Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 8:50 pm
John, I know you asked for readers from Northeastern states to respond and I am not a Northeasterner (although as I’ve said my mother had New England roots, coming from a ‘Down East Yankee’ family from Maine via Massachusetts. Oddly though, the Northeast is the area of the country about which I have the least direct experience. I do know what it’s like to be ‘bicultural’, with one parent from the North and one from the South. But my affections are not torn; I am not close to my Yankee relatives emotionally, while I love my Southron family dearly.
But I have lived in the North for a good portion of my life and I live in the North (about as far North as you can get) now. I can be comfortable in both places although I prefer the South, by far.
How much experience of New England have you had? If you feel drawn there then you should follow your heart.
I have even been attracted to the Vermont Free State thing, even though I know the state is ultra-liberal. And it seems as if the South, especially Texas, is about to become a de facto part of Mexico really soon, while New England is still New England. If I could endure the cold winters, I might be inclined to try it.
-VA
Friday, March 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm
VA, I think you hit just what I was thinking about when you said that you have a whole side of the family that is Southern and that you feel very attached to. As I understand it, you have one parent with deep roots in the South. I don’t. Both my parents are Northern by birth and identification, although my mother probably plans to finish her life at least nominally in the South, though perhaps in an area with a lot of expat Yankees. None of my other family members are now Southern in any legitimate sense of the word. No one in my parents’ generation married a Southerner. So if I am to be back with even the largest geographically intact segment of my family, it will have to be up North.
The best I could do is marry a Southerner myself and become a kind of adopted member of a proud Southern family. That doesn’t seem exactly honorable either. One’s birth family deserves loyalty simply because it is one’s family, regardless of its dysfunctionality (e.g. broken marriages, young people who aren’t on speaking terms with one parent). It’s hard when it feels that there’s nothing to be loyal to, or that one’s duty is not likely to be reciprocated by other family members. But maybe I’m putting an exaggerated sense of what’s honorable above what’s feasible in the real world. That’s where I want advice. To the extent that I belong to a broken family, I can’t fix it all by myself. I wonder how I can pass on good values to the next generation, if I am trying to teach them to take pride in a family that has a history of brokenness. It seems like the less benefit my extended family provides me, the less I owe to it. If I had children, what would it benefit them to live in the same area with relatives of mine who dislike me just because I don’t want to take sides between them and other relatives whom they feel wronged by? My children might get a better sense of family values if I kept them away from those who want to sow discord. That’s more important than trying to reconcile myself with people who would rebuff any efforts from my side.
If obligations are defined largely by who has actively reciprocated the obligation in love and support, my obligations are to my mother, father, and grandmother, and that is about it.
I might elaborate on this problem in a future post. Thank you for your opinion.
(As for talking about my experience of certain places, I’m feeling afraid to give away information that might compromise my anonymity, so I won’t mention that on-blog. I might send you a private message over at the forum.)
Friday, March 28, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Interesting discussion. I’m not only southern, but southern Appalachian as well. I haven’t really thought about the distinctions much, but admittedly I do feel more comfortable around my own kind, so to speak. Northerners have different folkways, mannerisms, and most noticeably speech patterns. I have a post-graduate degree, so I have been exposed to a lot of “diverse” cultures, but I’m still at home right here. With that said, I get the sense you’re engaged in a little too much navel gazing. Once I get to know a northerner, so long as that person has a similar viewpoint on given subjects, I don’t give origin a second thought. In fact, I have a close English friend who shares the same truly conservative viewpoints expressed here by you. So snap out of it, man!
Friday, March 28, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Well, it’s an important decision that needs to be thoroughly considered. It feels strange to have people who know me only from the Internet welcoming me so enthusiastically to the South, when I don’t feel at home among Southerners.
Of course, there’s a bit of a problem because having lived in the South inoculated me against Northern regional chauvinism too. If I had grown up in the North, I would have had no standard to judge the radical social liberalism negatively against. But I know that in certain ways I’m a born contrarian. So if I had never left the South, I might have retained a “grass is always greener on the other side” mentality. I probably would have continued to express outrage at the South’s “intolerance”, along with all the other liberal gripes about the South. Very often being “bicultural” really means one is home neither here nor there.
I suppose much of the question concerns what is really more important: customs or inner beliefs. I tend to think the folkways and customs reflect a deeper meaning, while political beliefs are pretty shallow. But maybe political beliefs, and their underlying moral beliefs, are more important than I give them credit for. That’s why I said the relative lack of conservative churches in the North could pose a problem for trying to raise a family the right way, for instance.
Friday, March 28, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I should emphasize that my thoughts about the Puritan ways are key. My grandparents still reflected the Puritan outlook, even if they didn’t much care what kind of theology was being taught in their church. But with the churches becoming so liberal, I fear that their ways are not being passed down very well.
Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 1:36 pm
John,
Living where you are most comfortable is the best. There is no prohibition on living both places at different times. The South as it once was is gone and so is the US. The entire world is crazy in case someone hasn’t noticed.
I’m in a place where most of our friends would love to be - in some ways. It is white and non-intergrated (but the people think the US is racist). They don’t realize that their entire society would be considered racist by present US standards (that should actually be - by present anti-US standards). There are enough negatives being here that I would not stay, as I would never feel at home.
Go where your heart leads you and do your best to improve it.
Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Flanders, good to see you back. I agree that in many ways the South is as bad off as the rest of the country.
You make a good point about how Europe being “non-integrated” does make it different. However, sometimes being non-integrated just means that whites have practically no personal experience of nonwhite behavior, and thus are naive about how dangerous the nonwhite group actually is. The same point has been made in the context of Obama winning victories in overwhelmingly white states like North Dakota, Montana, Idaho, etc. Most people in those places believe that nonwhites are like the ones they see on TV, so they’re easily brainwashed. It is those who live (or have lived) closest to the invaders who understand best what faces us.
I could never feel at home in Europe either.
Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Perhaps these naive closet case liberals can be shown the truth via the internet? Are they allowed to view “hate speech” written in America?
Go where you can best carry out your duty.
“Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less.” — a famous Southerner.
Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 10:00 pm
You can’t beat the South. I was at my 9 year old’s baseball practice the other night. I live in a rural, generally uneducated area in southern Appalachia. I’ve got to say I love these people! We started discussing black nationalists, Obama, racial set asides, racialist ideas about behavior, and on and on. No epithets, no hatred, but real honest discussion and understanding — and a singlemindedness that comes to light among otherwise shell-shocked white people. So for what it’s worth, you’ve got to stay in the South and add to its strength — like fiberglass in concrete.
Notwithstanding the above, it remains a battle, even here. My oldest son is a teenager. I use instances like these to teach him and my other boys, contra some of the liberal notions foisted upon them in public education (which, I might add, is much better here in the sense it’s not overwhelmingly liberal and there are many good conservative teachers). I juxtapose the qualities of the hard-working simple people with whom we PREFER to associate against liberal whites of the ilk of those in Stuff White People Like. This is heaven, man!
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